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1920s Berlin Buchgemeinschaft Book Discussion June [2014] at SL11B.

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posted by Zoe Foodiboo alias Zoe Foodiboo on Saturday 28th of June 2014 10:48:07 PM

**Berlin: City of Smoke by Jason Lutes** Zoe Foodiboo: Web, wanna tell us what the book was about? bibiche Chant: hallo dear Zoe Foodiboo: Hi Bibi Zoe Foodiboo: Hi Lauren Zoe Foodiboo: wb Augusta webspelunker Ghostraven: Sure! Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Hello Bibi! Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): WB Augusta :)) Lauren Keiyrti: Helo, Zoe :) Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): Hello Augusta Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Hallo wieder alle bibiche Chant: hallo!! webspelunker Ghostraven: Today, we're doing Book II of Berlin: City of smoke Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): Will this be in voice or text? webspelunker Ghostraven: A graphic novel set in Berlin after the blutmai riots... Zoe Foodiboo: text Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): Thank you webspelunker Ghostraven: Has everyone either read or know of the book? Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): in 1929 Zoe Foodiboo: I reread it this morning. Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i read it Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): yes webspelunker Ghostraven: Excellent! Panny (Panny Bakerly): I read it a while ago. Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): I've heard about it, but haven't had the possibilty to read it yet Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): i have read the first book just started the second;) Zoe Foodiboo: Perfect timing - it covered the year after Blutmai Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): I have them both on order but they haven't arrived yet. webspelunker Ghostraven: I found the stark B&W pictures and the light use of text very powerful.. Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): yes i agree web webspelunker Ghostraven: You'll enjoy them Maddie! Zoe Foodiboo: ((we can have another discussion in a few weeks once you've read them Emily & Maddie)) Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I agree Web webspelunker Ghostraven: We can! Zoe Foodiboo: You really see what life was like for real people in Berlin. Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): ((okies ty Zoe)) Patrice Cournoyer: hello all! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I felt it was slower paced than the first Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): Thank you Zoe Foodiboo: So many people struggling. No food at all. Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Guten Abend! webspelunker Ghostraven: I find with graphic novels I spend more time with the scene than the story... Zoe Foodiboo: Hi Patty Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I never thought I would enjoy a graphic novel to be honest Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): yes it would have been a huge inspiration to me when building berlin if I had read it before I build the sim :) Panny (Panny Bakerly): This is the first graphic novel for me. webspelunker Ghostraven: I do regret Book III has not been written yet... Zoe Foodiboo: I could see our Berlin sim in the pictures of the book though. Both reflect the time quite accurately, yeah? webspelunker Ghostraven: I was reminded of 1920's Berlin as I read it... Patrice Cournoyer: I am hoping for Book III but I think its taking him a long time Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): the book made me feel really stupid because I kept thinking; "Oh yes I experienced that as well" because ive seen it in sl webspelunker Ghostraven: Maybe Lutes visited first! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes they did Zoe Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): so there will be a book 3? webspelunker Ghostraven: No one knows. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I hope so Zoe Foodiboo: I would be surprised if he hadn't. Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): /me nods Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): ha i did see some people in the book who reminded me of SL'ers webspelunker Ghostraven: I've checked the author's website, he's doing other projects. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): it could be City of Steel Zoe Foodiboo: Marthe, the woman from the wealthy family kinda reminded me of Augusta webspelunker Ghostraven: Well, SL is a form of a graphic novel... webspelunker Ghostraven: Oh,? bibiche Chant: me/waves to patrice Patrice Cournoyer: hiya Bibi webspelunker Ghostraven: Augusta what do you have to say for yourself? Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): /me smiles bibiche Chant: /me waves to patrice Panny (Panny Bakerly): Augusta is a bit more fancier than Marthe Zoe Foodiboo: Someone from a wealthy family who moved to Berlin and is discovering all the city has to offer. Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): /me smiles to the lady next to her Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): looks at Augusta in a whole new way Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): That would be Augusta.... webspelunker Ghostraven: Does anyone else see themselves in the book? Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): It was quite interesting. Book I is focused on lower class life. II is showing more upper class life in Berlin. Zoe Foodiboo: Well, not the s-e-x part....just the experience of being in a metropolis and having a shift in perspective. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): ohyes, of course! Zoe Foodiboo: /me grins Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I thought it had two distinct classes Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): (( I didn't get that far this time! )) Patrice Cournoyer: I like the woman who ends up with the Jazz man webspelunker Ghostraven: I thought so too, Sara. Zoe Foodiboo: Two distinct classes? Zoe Foodiboo: Not more? Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): ohh i have some reading to catch up on! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): there were the workers....downtrodden ...hungry Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Oh is he like Herr Boberg? Zoe Foodiboo: /me nods Panny (Panny Bakerly): The one that left in the end, Patrice? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): and the socialites Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): clubbing...petting parties Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): drugs webspelunker Ghostraven: The artist caught that very well I thought.. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): S-E-X Zoe Foodiboo: petting parties! Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): (( i'm ordering both stones and smoke now, i have to read them :) )) Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): hehe zoe Zoe Foodiboo: /me leans and covers the little girl's ears webspelunker Ghostraven: The petty acts of cruelty... Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I heard Frau Jo was hosting one of those next month webspelunker Ghostraven: The police with the small boy... Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): (( you will enjoy them! )) Zoe Foodiboo: lol Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): oi Panny (Panny Bakerly): /me giggles Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): but it could be rumor Zoe Foodiboo: watch out, you're within slapping range Panny (Panny Bakerly): Maybe it's her twin Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yikes...I forgot ! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): when I organise a petting party, I mean the kind of petting that gets you ended up in the hospital with a black eye Zoe Foodiboo: It was heartbreaking, what happened to Gundrun's daughter Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): laughs Zoe Foodiboo: what was her name again? Zoe Foodiboo: Sylvia? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): it was Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Sylvia Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): gosh im still getting over what happened to gundrun:( Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): but I kind of thought it would be that way all along Zoe Foodiboo: you could see what an orphan's life is truly like webspelunker Ghostraven: Did anyone feel the inevitability of the story? webspelunker Ghostraven: Especially with the centennial of the start of WWI this week? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): why yes Web...I did :) Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Today actually... Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): yep me to web;) Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): but I was surprised at how Marthe fell for Anna webspelunker Ghostraven: Even though I know how it ends... Zoe Foodiboo: Yes, you could really see the impact of the Great War webspelunker Ghostraven: I kept saying "Get out, get out!" webspelunker Ghostraven: Why Sara? webspelunker Ghostraven: Given the times and the turmoil? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): because there was no interest until the party Zoe Foodiboo: And I could understand why that older couple decided to vote for the National Socialists Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): and I had hoped that Marthe had more to go on than great sex Zoe Foodiboo: Sara! Zoe Foodiboo: s-e-x! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): reaching back towards the familiar, Zoe? Patrice Cournoyer: did you read the first book Sara? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): ooops! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): S-E-X Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes Patrice Panny (Panny Bakerly): /me giggles Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): Marthe had a relationship yes Zoe Foodiboo: Yes, Augusta. Longing for stability, order. Zoe Foodiboo: Familiarity. Patrice Cournoyer: I thought the attraction was there then Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): did oyu? webspelunker Ghostraven: Did the characters seem real? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I didn't see it...but maybe Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i dont just pretend to be old fashioned and a prude, I am one, so I also understood how the more conservative people were very uncomfortable with the wild side of the weimar republic Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes the characters all felt real to me Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): and isn't that what makes a good book?..when you feel the characters? Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): it is Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): when you feel you are part of the story Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods webspelunker Ghostraven: Yes, Frau Jo, I too see that but looking back from today, I see how that was a mistake, a big one! Zoe Foodiboo: I'm not old fashioned but the gap between the socialites and the rest of characters was appalling. webspelunker Ghostraven: But that's reality.. webspelunker Ghostraven: That's why we have the KPD! webspelunker Ghostraven: And Marx! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): yeah its kind of discusting to see the ddecadence and fun while people starve Zoe Foodiboo: they were a bunch of thugs Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes Zoe Foodiboo: and disorganized Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): and I think that was the larger story webspelunker Ghostraven: Sara's right... Panny (Panny Bakerly): I thought it was kind of neat that the band members got theirs. Panny (Panny Bakerly): A little justice Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): how things liek that set Germany up for it's politics webspelunker Ghostraven: Uncle Joe and the Comintern had a lot to answer for. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): neither extreme worked Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): (Perhaps worth pointing out that we're heading in the wrong direction these days, with the wealth gap between the top and the bottom the largest it's been since, I believe, the late 1920s.) webspelunker Ghostraven: Agreed. Zoe Foodiboo: /me nods webspelunker Ghostraven: Bingo Eloise! Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): and we never learn from history or from our previous mistakes Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): that is what makes us humans webspelunker Ghostraven: The victims learn! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): the problem is always that people are frustrated, unhappy and sometimes a party offers them a easy fix that ALWAYS turns out to be the opposite of easy Panny (Panny Bakerly): we repeat history Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): the problem is that people think history is irrelevant to their lives Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): that is why you should never vote for a party that just protests Zoe Foodiboo: never an easy fix webspelunker Ghostraven: AvN's right (as usual) Zoe Foodiboo: Yes, Augusta Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): unless I one day start a party, then you should vote for my easy fix Zoe Foodiboo: I think social media in some ways makes people think even less about history, etc. Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, that's true, Jo. Panny (Panny Bakerly): Yes Zoe Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): people share pictures an stories without even checking if they are true Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): they do Panny (Panny Bakerly): They don't know how to check, Jo. webspelunker Ghostraven: Do they even care! Zoe Foodiboo: Everyone is so focused on themselves, it breaks down community. Not in our case, of course. Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): in the UK some far right party posts pictures of sad puppies who have been abandoned and everyone shares them not realising they are spreading the right wing politics as well Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): and everyone is outraged over false stories while the big true ones pass by unseen Zoe Foodiboo: /me true Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): I agree, Zoe, and to think even less about what the advertisers see as having little or no value--that is, those without money to spend. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): agreed...so it was easy for me to see how the rhetoric in the book took shape Zoe Foodiboo: yes, Sara webspelunker Ghostraven: The attention span is shortening... Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): and also.....the characters were recognizable.....but harder for me to keep names to webspelunker Ghostraven: whispers: The masses want instant gratification! Panny (Panny Bakerly): There isn't any, Web Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, actually, me, too, Sara :) Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): is online. Panny (Panny Bakerly): People are too busy playing with their mobile devices webspelunker Ghostraven: Are they Everyman? Zoe Foodiboo: The characters in the book made me want to create an alt....there were so many different storylines in the book. Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): people today are more educated but also more individualistic and less idealistic Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): yes the people are so interesting Zoe Foodiboo: That's very true, Frau Jo. Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): (Very well put, Frau Jo.) Panny (Panny Bakerly): I don't know if I completely agree with that, Jo Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): well people want what tehy want...and want it now webspelunker Ghostraven: Yes, Jo, ideals are dead for this time. Zoe Foodiboo: like all the homeless, and struggling workers....I'd like to see more of those types in our Berlin. webspelunker Ghostraven: Instant gratification, Sara! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): nothing personal but I like those kinds of people more than the pretty ladies and dashing gentlemen we mostly see in SL Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, agree, Zoe. webspelunker Ghostraven: Hey, what about me? Zoe Foodiboo: you're too pretty Web Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Those books showed me what I wanted to know. Zoe Foodiboo: :P webspelunker Ghostraven: I'm homeless and unemployed! Zoe Foodiboo: You don't look homeless Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): you are the fairest of all Web lol Zoe Foodiboo: and you're not unemployed, you work at the library! Zoe Foodiboo: Hi Sasa! webspelunker Ghostraven: I always work at my appearance! Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): :)) Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I am the one with no job webspelunker Ghostraven: Marx had to pawn his clothes! Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): Hello folks Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): hallo Sasa ! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): hallo noch wieder Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Hello Sasa Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): Hi Sasa Zoe Foodiboo: Never mind the fact that I pay you in schnapps Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Guten Abend! bibiche Chant: i haven't any job me too Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): Hallo, Sasa. :) webspelunker Ghostraven: But, I'm a revolutionary! Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): /me gasps! Zoe Foodiboo: you're something all right Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): perhaps we start an employment agency Bibi Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): is it a KPD meeting? webspelunker Ghostraven: (And I do it well enough that I drive Jo crazy!) Zoe Foodiboo: bookclub, doll. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): no, it is not Sasa Zoe Foodiboo: have a drink on the library Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): doesn't sound like that webspelunker Ghostraven: Back to the book! webspelunker Ghostraven: whispers: I live in the library! Zoe Foodiboo: Yes Web? You have a question? webspelunker Ghostraven: ;) webspelunker Ghostraven: Was anyone surprised by the book? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): no.....but perhaps it's because I do know the history of the time? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): if I had read it not knowing it might have been shocking Zoe Foodiboo: I think the drawings made the poverty seem more vivid to me Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I'm still surprised that I enjoyed these as graphic novels Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, me, too, Zoe. webspelunker Ghostraven: I agree with Zoe... Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): yes that was the same for me Zoe webspelunker Ghostraven: Sara, that's why we're all here! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): agreed Zoe Foodiboo: I was surprised at how much the drawings look like our sim. Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i grew up with graphic novels and comic, so I didnt mind Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): me too, Zoe Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): but yes, it all felt very familiar Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): maybe the artist is an alt Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I wanted to direct where Silvia would run too Zoe Foodiboo: that's what I think Sasa Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): if the writer had said he has been to our sim, i would not be surprised Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): go left ! Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): So you think the author really told a true story in both books? Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): am I in them? ;) Zoe Foodiboo: Poor Silvia....I hope she finds her way to a better life. But probably not, huh? Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Hahaha, we talked about it in the previous book club, Joe. Zoe Foodiboo: There are prossies! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I don't know if it was a "true" story...but historically accurate, yes Zoe Foodiboo: And a Pola! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): Pola ! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes ! Zoe Foodiboo: and an American jazz band. We should get a jazz band. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I was cheering for her! webspelunker Ghostraven: i think it was authentic... Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): Good, then i need to get hold of it Patrice Cournoyer: I am sorry I must leave you Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): bye Patrice Zoe Foodiboo: there's lots of nudity, sasa webspelunker Ghostraven: Thanks for coming! Zoe Foodiboo: and s-e-x Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): bye Patrice :) Patrice Cournoyer: thanks for the book club Zoe.. I got a couple of snaps bibiche Chant: bye Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): bye patrrice Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I think we work on authenticity here, and the author did as well Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): even better Zoe Foodiboo: bye Patty! Patrice Cournoyer: ((for FB)) Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): Bye Ms Patrice Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i am thinking about getting a negro jazz band Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): hallo Nemo Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): tschau Patrice! Zoe Foodiboo: Hallo Nemo! Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): Take care, Patrice. :) Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Guten Abend! Zoe Foodiboo: I think that would be great Frau Jo Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): Auf wiedersehen! Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Gute Nacht Patrice Nemo Nimbus: Goedenavond webspelunker Ghostraven: I found the nudity and s-e-x tame. Nemo Nimbus: Gute Nacht Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): why are you spelling it out? webspelunker Ghostraven: whispers: Zoe has us doing it! Zoe Foodiboo: /me points to the kid Nemo Nimbus: Still a g rated sim Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): /me giggles Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): /me shrugs her shoulders Nemo Nimbus: Take care webspelunker Ghostraven: Be well! Zoe Foodiboo: Bye Nemo Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): *waves* Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): Bye, Nemo. :) Penny (Penny Luckstone): /me smiles back to the lady pointing at her webspelunker Ghostraven: What was the most important part of this story to you as readers? Zoe Foodiboo: /me smiles and pats Penny's head Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): that kid is so small, it doesn't understand what we talk about anyway Zoe Foodiboo: she Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): They understand Sasa Zoe Foodiboo: /me grins at Sasa Penny (Penny Luckstone): "it?"...... gnarls her new teeth Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): /me laughs Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): the darkness of the tiem was already seeping into the happier ones webspelunker Ghostraven: Cool it everyone... webspelunker Ghostraven: Stay on topic! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): into the socialites Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): one day you'll understand children, sasa Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): there is always this dark cloud over the story, because we know whats coming Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): no one was escaping it Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): nods Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): For me, the entire feeling of the time was bit more important than the story itself. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes...but I found it interesting how it was slowly creeping in webspelunker Ghostraven: The author does capture the feeling.. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes Gustav ! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): that's it ! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i think people then may have felt it too even without knowing what would come Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I felt bad for the orphan Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i know I feel it in our sim sometimes Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): is that because we are so fascinated about the era? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): the socialite too Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): makes me even angrier at the nazis, not just what they did, but also what they ended when they came to power Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): it was something that one person could not overcome Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): because...I think in the story...you could feel how they knew it was all coming down Zoe Foodiboo: That was an interesting relationship, the orphan and the Jewish homeless guy - forgot his name too. Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Everyone is living their lives in the book. But we know where and how they'll end up with. That's really hard for me to see.... Panny (Panny Bakerly): I've got to go. Toodles. webspelunker Ghostraven: How many have these feelings when inworld at Berlin? Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Tschau Panny Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): (Bye, Panny.) :) Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): bye Panny Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): bye panny webspelunker Ghostraven: TC Panny! Zoe Foodiboo: what feelings? Zoe Foodiboo: in our Berlin? webspelunker Ghostraven: Yes! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): darkness and foreboding? Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): I feel that. webspelunker Ghostraven: Do you feel history looking over your shoulder? webspelunker Ghostraven: Double yes! Zoe Foodiboo: I guess this book made me think about how we can balance our partying with darker stuff Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes. Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): It's inevitable for me to feel that. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I feel directed by history when I'm in the sim webspelunker Ghostraven: We don't do much dark here do we Jo? Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): i feel it in RL and SL Zoe Foodiboo: I mean, I love our partying obviously.....but it made me wonder how we can rp other stuff Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): its up to the people Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i have added more and more dark stories to the newspapers when i have the time Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Hahaha, Herr Boberg, yes, actually both in RL and SL. Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): im also going to add a permanent crime scene Zoe Foodiboo: I like that Bruno lost his fortune Zoe Foodiboo: that feels real Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): you do?? webspelunker Ghostraven: We have wounded vets lying in the streets? Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): you evil person! Zoe Foodiboo: I mean, I'm not happy about it! Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): yes such a crybaby Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I do too lol Zoe Foodiboo: oh you know what I mean, you nuts. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): /me giggles Zoe Foodiboo: It's a good rp storyline is all Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): it is Zoe Foodiboo: /me shakes her head webspelunker Ghostraven: There are street walkers... Zoe Foodiboo: I'd like to see more of that kind of thing. webspelunker Ghostraven: Fallen nobility... webspelunker Ghostraven: Yes! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I haven't fallen anywhere. Zoe Foodiboo: petty crime webspelunker Ghostraven: The dark side! Zoe Foodiboo: fighting webspelunker Ghostraven: Sensitive, aren't we? Zoe Foodiboo: loss of work, loss of income Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): also when i rebuild the brothel I will make it look a little darker and that whole area bibiche Chant: goodnight all! it was very interesting webspelunker Ghostraven: whispers: organized crime! Zoe Foodiboo: bye bibi! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): night Bibi Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Tschau Bibi! webspelunker Ghostraven: TY for coming! Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): Night, bibi. :) Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Goodnight, Bibi! bibiche Chant: see you! Zoe Foodiboo: See, I think with organized crime, people tend to want to be glamourous about it. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): The organized crime got out of control Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): the criminals we have are very keen, but not organized Zoe Foodiboo: watching too many mob movies or something webspelunker Ghostraven: There's a very important business aspect to it! webspelunker Ghostraven: Al Capone's a good businessman! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): we're Berlin, not Chicago Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): yes, it was an interesting experiment, but it didn't really fit Berlin Zoe Foodiboo: Yes! That's what I mean, Augusta :) Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i want the criminals we saw in 'M' Zoe Foodiboo: /me nods Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): the beggars, thieves, thugs Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): child murderers? Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): yes Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): we need Mo Galewarden back Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): dirty, evil, but cool webspelunker Ghostraven: But what about Mr. Big? Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Mr. Big? Zoe Foodiboo: well, proper villians. Not models in suits. Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Ah, yes, sorry. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): but we want to get more kids to Berlin -- that will scare them off webspelunker Ghostraven: The criminal element organizes to fight back! Zoe Foodiboo: Like Mo. Or Happy. Or Kungler. Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): /me decides after all this scary talk to build a higher gate around her house! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): ive tried to get crime started in berlin several times but somehow it never quite worked Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): not really Augusta webspelunker Ghostraven: Let's talk Jo... Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): its a bit the same with the kids Zoe Foodiboo: Crime will scare off the kids? Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): they show up but then we need to keep them coming back webspelunker Ghostraven: whispers: Being a failed revolutionary is getting tiring! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): ther eis no way to break a window in Berlin Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): if you kill children? Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): I am going to work on 'stealable' stuff btw Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): ther eis no one to rob when I'm there Zoe Foodiboo: oh! no, I don't want to start murdering children. webspelunker Ghostraven: Break windows? Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Oh I had my window on Bruderstrasse broken once Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): but we need anothter kind of crime webspelunker Ghostraven: I'm talking rackets, extortion, kidnapping... Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): (I'd be happy to help with any roleplay, Frau Jo, I'd even--gasps!--create an alt for crime, if it would be helpful.) :) Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): how about muggings? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): yes ! Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): Stealing food is good..... I'm always hungry. Zoe Foodiboo: muggings would be great! I was mugged once. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): exactly Jo Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): might be a nice way to make a few lindens Zoe Foodiboo: by Kungler. Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): how do you mug without windows? Zoe Foodiboo: walking on the street Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): I know a girl who tried to steal a chicken in Berlin Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): sorry without WEAPONS Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): or just street fights Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): not windows Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): but couldn't get it out of the window Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): you can use a knife Zoe Foodiboo: actually, I was sitting in the park with Myf and Kungler held us up Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): or a truncheon! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): brute force Herr Boberg Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): I got the same club the police has webspelunker Ghostraven: You folks have no idea what crime is all about! Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): i don't look fierce enough for that Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): no, you are far too nice Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): buy a scar ;) webspelunker Ghostraven: Groan... Zoe Foodiboo: Lots of crimes motivated by hunger, Web. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): that's why we need Mo back Zoe Foodiboo: Mo! webspelunker Ghostraven: Yes, but I'm talking at another level! Zoe Foodiboo: what level? Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): he is more horny than hungry Zoe Foodiboo: lol Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): there is also a gambling den in berlin Zoe Foodiboo: true Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): in the nussbaum backroom Zoe Foodiboo: but that's part of his schtick Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): sorrry i mean h-o-r-n-y Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): we could gather there do some.... betting ;) Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): laughs Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, I saw that. Zoe Foodiboo: /me laughs webspelunker Ghostraven: I mean multinational, millions of dollars! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): he did go crazy with that gun and the absinthe the one time Zoe Foodiboo: Sasa, you're the best. Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): i know Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): (LOL) :) Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): but thanks for noticing Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): /me giggles Zoe Foodiboo: No, I'd leave that to Chicago, Web. Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): so modest webspelunker Ghostraven: Book,people, book people! Zoe Foodiboo: huh? Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): hehe web Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): we ARE talking about the book! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i think people think too big when they want to reenact crime Zoe Foodiboo: oh, the book webspelunker Ghostraven: What we're here for Zoe! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): we dont need shootouts and bank robberies Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): throws her book at Web webspelunker Ghostraven: What? Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): but mugging, pick pockets, beggars, people fighting in the streets Zoe Foodiboo: I want crimes like in the book. You're so hungry you mug someone or steal from Morgy or something. webspelunker Ghostraven: /me ducks Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): pfffffft Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): you want more Elvinas? webspelunker Ghostraven: That's no way to treat a book! webspelunker Ghostraven: Zoe, fine her! Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, we want more Elvinas :) Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): she was here last night! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): no, watching out for Elvina is more than enough work for me Zoe Foodiboo: people who wouldn't ordinarily steal but because of the times and they're so hungry, they're driven to commit crimes. petty ones. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): exactly Zoe webspelunker Ghostraven: That's not crime according to Marx.. Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): she chated with me and mo for abit and tried to steal some liqquor Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): and the book ( see Web) does bring that out Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): who asked Marx?! Zoe Foodiboo: I don't think we need glamourous mob stuff Zoe Foodiboo: that's for Chicago webspelunker Ghostraven: merely redistribution of stolen goods! Zoe Foodiboo: those meanies webspelunker Ghostraven: Hey, watch what you say about those guys! Zoe Foodiboo: Marx? Oh I thought she said Max. webspelunker Ghostraven: They defined a generation! Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): also more "normal" people with more or less hidden problems in life Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Yeah, tell me about it. Cicero will never be the same. webspelunker Ghostraven: I said Marx as in Karl Marx! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): i like that most of berlin is already more about normal day to day stuff Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): (Why isn't that crime to Marx? One poor person impinging upon the liberties of another impoverished person would be a crime, wouldn't it?) Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): those are the ones that make those small crimes because they feel that they have to Zoe Foodiboo: bah, our Max is much more interesting. Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Hmmmm, hidden problems? webspelunker Ghostraven: Thank heavens for AvN! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Oh no Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Ah I see. webspelunker Ghostraven: 10 minute warning! Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): or maybe "issues" is a more suitable word than "problems" Zoe Foodiboo: Speaking of Max, it's almost time for El D. Any last thoughts before we go get drunk and stare at boobies? webspelunker Ghostraven: Who'd like to speak who hasn't yet? Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): hehe Zoe Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): /me nods to Herr Boberg Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): oh eldo Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): forgot about that! Zoe Foodiboo: er, b-o-o-b-i-e-s Sasa Steigerwald (SasaSteigerwald Resident): i must be getting ill Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Zoe! Spell that! Emily Theriac (THX1138 Theriac): i have to go for abit bye every one:) Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): folks, I have to go, shout pervert at sonatta before the eldo opens webspelunker Ghostraven: by Emily! Frau Jo Yardley (Jo Yardley): thanks for organising this! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): bye Emily Zoe Foodiboo: Thanks for coming everyone! Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): Bye, Sasa and everyone departing, I should run, too, but only to see everyone very shortly! webspelunker Ghostraven: Thanks all! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): ye sI have to go too Zoe Foodiboo: Well, I'm glad I made it. This was fun. webspelunker Ghostraven: It was! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I enjoy these discussions! Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): This rocks, Zoe, thank you. :) Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Yes, this was. webspelunker Ghostraven: A good crowd! Penny (Penny Luckstone): Herr Web, now you show Penny da piktures? Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Thank you very much. Eloise (EloiseSchiltzen Resident): /me smiles and waves to everyone! Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): thank you all so much Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): it was great to talk with you Zoe Foodiboo: Penny, you have given us a good idea. webspelunker Ghostraven: Scram kid, yer bothering me! Zoe Foodiboo: Maybe we should have a storytime for the kids at the library. Augusta used to do something similar at school. Zoe Foodiboo: Web! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Web, be nice to the little sones! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): *ones webspelunker Ghostraven: What? Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): picks her book up and throws it twice as hard at Web Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): it's a kid ! Zoe Foodiboo: /me throws peanuts at Web Penny (Penny Luckstone): /me hides by da nice lady here webspelunker Ghostraven: I don't do them well! Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Gosh, I mixed up with Penny and Panny Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): some age difference Zoe Foodiboo: /me grins at Gustav Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I will start the story again when school starts in the fall Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): see you all later Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): This was really great! Thank you. Saraphen Calliope (Saraphen Resident): waves Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Max und Moritz -- if we can get new kids Zoe Foodiboo: I hope to see you two in Berlin, Maddie and Penny webspelunker Ghostraven: any last words! Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): Is there a list of the books you've already read? Zoe Foodiboo: We have school on Sundays at noon SLT Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): Yes, very nice to meet you! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): well, it will start again in the fall Zoe Foodiboo: On Goodreads, Maddie. Zoe Foodiboo: Let me get you a link Maddie (MaddieGraceGearz Resident): Thank you Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): we've read some great books! Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): I think we should do Artificial Silk Girl again Zoe Foodiboo: We sure have! Zoe Foodiboo: Let me get you a link to Augusta's blogpost about the bookclub. Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): /me smiles Gustav von Rosenheim (gustav2005 Resident): Well, I'm going to Eldo. See you around there. Thanks for organizing the book club. It was really fun :) Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): /me hands Penny an animal cracker Bror Jacob Boberg (bejiblueman Resident): thank you friends, this was very interesting, and i look forward to read the books Penny (Penny Luckstone): Tank you Ma'am. Zoe Foodiboo: www.goodreads.com/group/show/66935-1920s-berlin-buchgemei... Augusta Carolina Maria v.Nassau (gardengirl Resident): you are welcome, Liebchen!



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